http://www.salon.com/2013/06/04/the_question_libertarians_just_cant_answer/ 0:00 – Why are there no libertarian countries? If libertarians are correct in cla…
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June 10, 2013 at 11:37 pm
If you believe in libertarianism (and democracy), you also have to respect people for their differing opinions. Afterï»¿ all the whole point of libertarianism is the lack of force in exchange for voluntary exchanges.
If she disagrees with you after you have explained your points you should accept it & be respectful. If you aren’t you are being hypocritical to your own ideals.
Stefan Molyneux Reply
June 11, 2013 at 12:10 am
I would certainly disagree with your first characterizationï»¿ of my argument
June 11, 2013 at 12:37 am
If you mean reasoning through multiple logical fallacies…
His argument is a variation of “ad populem” logical fallacy.ï»¿ (Since the majority haven’t voted for it, it must be wrong).
In addition it ignores the fact that there is no pure country for any view since all (democratic) countries areï»¿ composed of the wide varying views of society. As such the countries rules and regulation will always be a mix of differing views.
June 11, 2013 at 12:51 am
Horrible example, The state pays money to the government for earmarks that then get divided up and go to all the states. He is trying to get back some of the money that was taken from the state in the first place.
Trying to drag slavery in as an example demonstrates an attempt ofï»¿ overriding rational thinking with emotions. Resorting to such a measure demonstrates a weak rational argument and is a red herring appeal to emotions (a logical fallacy).
June 11, 2013 at 1:51 am
By free market we are referring to one party freely being able to trade their goods with another party without interference by the government unless in the act they areï»¿ directly harming a third party (which makes the above trade illegal).
Libertarians hold the view that the closer we get to this approach the better off we are. This said many people act as though the “free market” would be a wild west, however they fail to realize that the argument is the courts will act to keep it inline.
June 11, 2013 at 2:36 am
(Questions1,2,3,4,6,7 (shown in the info section))
For the same reason there isn’t a pure liberal country or “republican” (by US standards). Countries are composed of the many views in the country and as such unlessï»¿ a country is 100% libertarian it is foolish to ever think that it will be pure libertarian. The point of the movement is to direct the country towards the libertarian views. Anyone who thinks they can make a pure country of their viewsï»¿ is living in a fantasy world.
June 11, 2013 at 2:46 am
5. Socialism isn’t discredited becauseï»¿ of the soviet union (what’s discredited their is Stalin’s communism/fascism mix). Personally, I disagree with socialism on the basis that it would only be efficient if the government can continuously outperform the free market and if that’s the case then when the government invest money they should receive on average higher returns then the returns made in the free market. (They don’t)
June 11, 2013 at 3:38 am
what we need to do isï»¿ force everyone to become libertarians and voluntarists
June 11, 2013 at 4:01 am
Well so far the responses have been very weak andï»¿ not convincing. In america is more about a fascist anarchy disguised as libertarianism .
June 11, 2013 at 4:50 am
Actually , there are very libertarian countries with a very weak and smallï»¿ government without almost welfare nor assistance . All of them are shitholes
June 11, 2013 at 4:54 am
Q: “Why there are no libertarian countries?”
A: Because We don’tï»¿ know how to organize a society
June 11, 2013 at 5:07 am
i think the biggest joke is the fact that Theists say God gave us free will which then they place their faith into state policy which infringes on the rights of those who have otherï»¿ faiths or none at all.
June 11, 2013 at 5:51 am
Be careful of the phrase ‘natural evolution’.
Stefan (and many anthropologists and historians and psychologists) have built a good case that childhood is theï»¿ function for statism. As we roll back a lot of the torture within family, the social changes resolve within a generation or so.
So the first line of your syllogism is conditional on the people who bring about hierarchical violence. Politicians only exist so long as people wish. Like slavery, with more exposure to empathy, they won’t last.
June 11, 2013 at 5:59 am
“claiming that they understand how best to organize a modern society”
Iï»¿ understand Stef’s frustration in that first question… Gah; come accross it so often.
P Mason Reply
June 11, 2013 at 6:26 am
Not really. He does discuss the idea that in the future we don’t know what may exist. Think about 400 years ago. No socialist democracies. No countries with women’s rights. So therefore the only countries that can exist are the ones that do exist at that time? Clearly history shows us things change. As collectivismï»¿ fades and individuals become more important the need for collectives fade. Collectivists are 19th century old fogies.
June 11, 2013 at 6:30 am
Up to about minute seven, this video seems to argue only that non-libertarian societies are inevitable, because a true libertarian society, although it may be nice, is contrary to the naturalï»¿ evolution of societal structure. (Or “government”.)
Apparently the logic is: 1) Politicians do and will always exist. 2) They will always desire reelection 3) Power corrupts and thus…. 4) Power tends to become centralized.
Is this not the premise of the video?
June 11, 2013 at 6:44 am
I tend to fall into Nock’s thinking when it comes to libertarian. Changing the mind of a statist is a waste ofï»¿ time. Instead find the free thinkers and nourish and protect them.
Mucky Pup Reply
June 11, 2013 at 7:16 am
Also,ï»¿ in our disintegrative society, people want ideas, mostly so they can turn them back into abstracts and argue them. However at the end of the day, people do want a vision of what Libertarian’s wish to achieve. Saying you want to destroy institutions they see daily is scary. Doing a thinking exercise helps people to see the potential of things. Using abstracts to form concepts and ideas. So asking and answering questions like, how would education look in a libertarian society, etc?
June 11, 2013 at 8:12 am
Great informationï»¿ Sfet and I also agree with a poster’s comment that if your stance is, No Statism, then of course there is no state that exists with no statism. The contradiction of logic in the article goes downhill in logic from there.
June 11, 2013 at 9:06 am
Looking back on your posts I findï»¿ no specific example of a company polluting. Can you provide a specific case?
June 11, 2013 at 9:08 am
I’m a Libertarian because through all of its lack of force, it promotes the most positive attitudes and methods, while being very detrimental to “detrimental” peopleï»¿ in society, meaning mostly violent people. If I don’t have to pay the government to take care of old or sick people, I’ll have more money to take care of the old or sick people in my life. There are huge administrative costs with the government as it is, you recieve half of what you paid for.
June 11, 2013 at 9:48 am
Land owners did sue, they settled out of court, allowing the pollution
Yes it was contaminated “significantly” Eventually class action law suits were popping up all over the country..after people started getting sick and dying en masse (now they have a case)
In law, the land owners would be the ones to take action (generally they were paid off to let the contamination continue)
In free market capitalism, the consumer has the power (they still bought the productsï»¿ KNOWING about the pollution)
Cristian Farapon Reply
June 11, 2013 at 10:11 am
Because ofï»¿ Patrick
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